Push button start for Stock Honda

Needs to be allowed within our rules first......this is what I'm talking about.

The concept is good, I've spoken to the designer of this and there is no engine performance advantage possible, so this will now make the Stock Honda "the" complete entry level gearbox karting solution at the lowest possible cost and maintenance available on the brand new market.

The discussion should also be around an option fitment, not a must have fitment to the Stock Honda rules.

[quote author=hjtrbo link=topic=2310.msg25518#msg25518 date=1393982798]
Damn it, another reason to drink 10 less beers a week! I'm already 4kg over.
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Complete kit with battery / brackets / wiring etc is a shipping weight is 2.7kgs, so assume around 2.5kgs of actual kit.
Now don't forget you can throw away your current battery and battery mounting that you are using for your logger/rain light and feed off these off your new starter motor battery instead. So maybe around +2kgs to your current configuration. ;)

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Hope this gets off the ground.
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Can't see why not after all it's our class, it shows a lot of merit and convenience at the track, if people want it included as an option, then we dictate what we want for our rules.

Thanks Ashley.
I will work on the wording over the weekend as there is a group of 7 guys racing Stock Honda at Winton.
I would suggest the wording to be along the lines at this stage that only the "Hegar CR125 starter kit" can be used, battery is open, just so that no one gets any future ideas about making their own starter that secretly doubles as a HP advantage....like a "push to pass" type concept.

Once we have something nutted out, it will be passed along for all to chew over.

Just had one of these Stock Honda Starter kits shipped to me. I guess I'll receive it some time next week so I can take photos of all the bits with it mounted to my actual kart so you can get a good idea clearances and setup etc.

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[url=http://ekartingnews.com/2014/03/06/industry-news-hegar-manufacturing-offering-quick-start-for-honda-cr125-engines/]http://ekartingnews.com/2014/03/06/industry-news-hegar-manufacturing-offering-quick-start-for-honda-cr125-engines/[/url]

Very light, very complete bit of kit, absolute awesomeness throughout. Can't fault anything.... yet.... This really is a game changer for the class. Nothing else required, even a freaking battery charger provided. Totally impressive!

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Anyone notice the 10% discount special offer by Sharkshifter at the moment?

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All mounted, yes I'm now sold, I've already done over 20 starts on the battery supplied and it still kicks like Bruce Lee. Bloody Awesome!!!!! [URL=http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/samzavaglia/media/20140323_185942.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff482/samzavaglia/20140323_185942.jpg[/img][/URL]

PIL,
It's still the weekend in USA.
I'm ordering 5x starters tomorrow.....all but one is already sold.

Attached are pictures of the Revision 2 Hegar4 Stock Honda Starter motor that I used on the weekend.
Revision 1 had some troubles which created some drag on the crankshaft under full load and never made it into production sales.
Revision 2 is the only starter available and the design is now proven and will not change, no drag on motor, no reliability issues.

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I track tested Revision 2 for myself in terms of reliability and it already has over 200 starts on my Stock Honda motor thus far. I started my motor at least 40 times just yesterday alone at Eastern Creek (had a ball teasing PIL and Stewie over it).
The other test was for any performance loss/gain. I drag raced Dalton the full length of Eastern Creek straight (SIDE BY SIDE without slimstream) countless times on the weekend and were were exactly matched, he didn't have the starter fitted and I did. All those present can vouch for this.

In conclusion, I will be writing the proposal wording for the Stock Honda rules modification to accept the Hegar4 Starter motor as an option to those wanting to have this fitted to their kart and submit this to NSA this week.

I am also placing an initial order of 5x starters today even before the rules are modified to accept, that's how confident the NSW guys are on this. All the Stock Honda guys in NSW and VIC have mentioned they have no issue with this option concept and are all for it.

Price for starter kit from me will be US$630 + delivery fron USA, I'm guessing at this stage it will equate to around AU$750 complete kit with super light weight battery, professional battery brackets, loom, professional push button switch, everything you need to complete the job.

Anyone interested, better let me know as 3 are already accounted for.

[quote author=Ashley Zahl link=topic=2310.msg25524#msg25524 date=1393992478]
Sam, exactly what a Stock Honda needs and I think they won't be able to make them fast enough.
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Your right Ashley, the demand in the USA has meant they are behind in current orders. I have 5 units shipping this Friday with another 5 units placed on reserve when next available.

I hope to receive the first 5 units before I head off to Phillip Island State Title. Because I have made a bulk buy of 10 units, I can confirm that my price will be AU$720 each in your hands. That's pretty good since the price everybody pays US$650 + exchange rate + shipping, your basically getting free shipping to Australia, hassle free, local sale for AU$720.00.

Remember this is a complete kit with nothing else required. Complete Starter unit, Battery, Battery Charger, Starter Loom, Push button, Hegar4 racing decal.

I've never needed a push starter, always able to start the kart myself, however once you try you can never go back, it's so awesome I'm leaving my unit on. Pin your name to one of these starter units on order while the going is good, you won't regret it. ;)

Attached is the submission that has been sent to NSA to allow the Hegar Starter motor as an option within our Stock Honda Superkart regulations.

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They are here, 6x starter motors for CR125 just arrived.
These are the Rev2 version with last week's factory updates to the roller pin material and retaining spring, things learned from Eastern Creek testing and testing aboard.

All 6x starter motors now accounted for except one, so that means first in can have it right now.

I also have stock of all starter spares right here in case of any warranty claim for any kits that are purchased from me. Inside the kit you get;

(i) Starter Motor assembly prepared and ready to bolt onto cases with mounting brackets and bolts.
(ii) Drive cup and nut with Loctite
(iii) Wiring loom with professional start button and bracket
(iv) Professional "no weight" 135CCA battery with professional CNC battery mounting kit on the chassis rail or flat area.
(v) battery charger
(vi) instructions and Hegar decals

You need nothing else to complete installation and go "TAG" Stock Honda racing.
This kit is US$650 + delivery to Australia, however in stock right here in Sydney with my support and service at just AU$700. (Australian Dollars)

I am also looking into the fitment requirements for installation onto a CR250 engine once I get someone's CR250 kart in my hands to play with. ;)

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Anytime after the Phillip Island Nationals.

Saw that coming too Rolf, seems you have a problem with this as much as your mates because you don't stop talking about it publicly and privately. Why wouldn't you just communicate that we should fit return toggle type switch as used in Race cars until this is corrected for those who have bought starters for Stock Honda.
The push button switch rule was written to stop using it as a manual ignition cut "quickshifter"...... It was not perceived that someone would make a starter motor.

I understand the AMRC have approved the starter motor so its just waiting for a bulletin to be published..... It's done mate, get over it.

This type of attitude even after the AMRC has approved the starter is not what needs to be portrayed if you want the NSW guys to attend Winton. I'm really getting sick of it all as are many others..... Then let's see who steps up after key people are driven away.

Effective Immediately, CAMS have issued the bulletin on their website that the Hegar Starter Motor is now legal to use within the Stock Honda class regulations as an optional fitment - if you choose to use a starter motor to make your racing day more enjoyable.
All Hegar Starter motors supplied by me will be provided with the spring loaded return toggle switch as pictured so your kart remains within the Stock Honda regulations.
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Didn't you know......that switch is connected to the 2nd map for my reprogrammed ignition box......and anything else others can make believe the impossible up.
After I give them all my information, data, access to look anytime at my settings, this is just some of the crap I have to put up with behind my back.

Maybe my competitors should aspire to try can compete at my level instead of trying to drag me down to their levels.
Anyway, those with starters can flick the switch anytime they need a start now. ;)