weights for 125gb

Submitted by Fullysick on Fri, 30/01/2015 - 17:56
I have heard that some people are pushing for weights to go up in 125gb and was wondering how many people out there are over the current weight. I am 182 cm tall and have to put 6 kilos of led on the kart to assure I come in at correct weight so I'm baffled that anyone can be that far over that it concerns them.
If we were to raise the weights to say 195 then I would have to strap 15 k's of weights to my kart, how can that be safe?

Jason
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Rolf Greve

Fri, 30/01/2015 - 18:40

Have you tried to lift Quintins kart Jase?

9 out of 10 are well over the min in 125 down here in Mexico.

Could be the beans.

Fullysick

Fri, 30/01/2015 - 19:02

I agree with you there Owen but I'm talking about the nationals where the weights will be in forced.

9 out of ten hey Rolf, are they all contestants for the biggest loser and if so why move the weights for a class to suit someone to unfit to complete at the front anyway?
Or is it that a certain brand of kart is just over weight?

Jason

Jas, your BRM will be a lot lighter than any stockman, anderson or avoig. I know that last time i raced at the nats most of us went over the scales in the mid 190's. I'm not for or against a change to the weight rules, i know my kart is 20kg over the weight limit and i drive my arse off in it to negate that.

However you don't have to be a contender for the biggest loser to be over the the weight limit or unfit, i know i'm a lot leaner and fitter than you Jas but i'm still miles over.

I'm just going to have a nice beef vindaloo before the Nats so I can make the weight cut.. ;D

No idea what I'll weight in at, I'm currently 78kg.

Fullysick

Sat, 31/01/2015 - 05:34

At 78 you will be on the money in a 125 that's not built out of old railway tracks Ant :-).
Sounds like you have been eating for two again mate :-)

I weigh 78 and my 125 when first run after assembly was 203kg. Yes. 203kg. With std panels/seat etc from Brian. I've taken a bit of weight out of it but it's still at 198.

Rolf Greve

Sat, 31/01/2015 - 15:12


There is some opposition down here, but not enough if it went to a vote.

Like I said MOST are over anyway.

But for sure, lets get weights recorded at Rnd 1 SMP of kart, driver and combined.

Send the data to all clubs for discussion.

MIKE DAVIES

Sat, 31/01/2015 - 16:09

Can someone tell us the weight of a stock Honda with fuel, water ready to hit the track weighs im guessing 95-100 kgs.?

MIKE DAVIES

Sat, 31/01/2015 - 18:03

Ok well maybe stock Honda should stay at 180 and 125 open class with all the extra stuff should be 190 we have 3 guys running in the open class here that way in at 205 to 212 in total. Myself, Brett Purdie and Dave Brewer but where not greedy that will do or 195. lol

I think if someone had the time to put a very high HP 125 (I'm thinking one of the front running guys already) on a sprint frame and could get the aero right and lightly stiffen the chassis where required you would have something that on a smaller track like Wakefield or Winton would be a very special piece of equipment

Class weights are always an interesting topic. There are 2 places that weight can be reduced. the kart or the driver. Is either of these likely to make the person more competitive?

Usually the faster guys in all classes are the ones that have to weight their kart up to make the minimum and when they put weight on the place it on the kart where it will benefit them with race pace. Step back a few years when the 250 Inter weight was increased. Warren McIlveen came out and absolutely spanked the Eastern Creek lap record. having a look at the fastest person in Australia at the moment and from memory holder of the lap records at both EC and PI I personally don't think he would be bolting weight on his kart but would most likely be a few kg over minimum but is still the one everyone is chasing.

Nothing will beat a well set up kart and a decent steerer. Increase the weights and they will still be faster than those that are already heavy for the class. Ability to engineer the machine to your driving style and to actually drive it to it's limits is way more important than getting weights up by a few kg but everyone thinks that it is the weights that make for more even competition.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Fullysick

Sun, 01/02/2015 - 13:53

[quote author=MIKE DAVIES link=topic=2485.msg27150#msg27150 date=1422691433]
Ok well maybe stock Honda should stay at 180 and 125 open class with all the extra stuff should be 190 we have 3 guys running in the open class here that way in at 205 to 212 in total. Myself, Brett Purdie and Dave Brewer but where not greedy that will do or 195. lol
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Mike just out of curiosity what extra stuff does a 125GB have over a Stock Honda? A rear wing on most?
If you guy's all weigh in at around the same as Brett then it's fair to say that none of you are are going to get a gig playing tinker bell right :-)

MIKE DAVIES

Sun, 01/02/2015 - 15:28

LOL Well Jase we will have to leave the tinkerbell position for you then we will play the manly parts. As for the heavier parts I think maybe the wing big brakes and discs full flor tray depends on the chassis you use I suppose, maybe one of the Avoig drivers could tell us how much one of there karts weigh Craig for instance up there who ran at the nationals at the front.

Jase, why do you keep making out like all the drivers in 125 GB are fat bastards? Does it make you feel better about yourself? The karts are heavier, we have a full floor, pods, nose, wing, uprights, larger radiator, more pluming, electric fuel pumps and larger engine mounts. Full size seats, larger fuel tanks, more chassis raiI, larger tyres, front uprights, larger crash bars and so on and so on, the list could go on forever. The weight is mainly in the design of the kart. 90% of the stuff on your brm you can buy off a shelf cause it's mass produced and made of light materials cause sprint karters break things and change things more often than i cange my underwear. Those of us with older superkart style chassis don't have that luxury, i usually have to make parts for my kart myself, i need to make them strong enough to last so they are heavier. My kart has gone over the scales at 213kg before, and at that point in time i only weighed 78kg. That's not to say however i haven't seen an avoig or stockman or two go over the scales very close to 180kg. Some of us just have more important things to focus on than weight.

I don't want the weight changed, but i'd appreciate if you cut the crap about other people being unfit and overweight, it's just not needed mate.

So your kart is light? Put your thinking cap on and bolt your weight somewherw where you will have a handling and weight advantage over us, rather than getting on here and being a dick to everyone about it.

If people are upset about the weights, they can buy and identical copy of your chassis cause their so light. When you come out and beat the pants off us all this year i'm sure there will be a lot of people that will follow suit.

If i have offended you Jase, call me, you have my number, i haven't meant to.

MIKE DAVIES

Sun, 01/02/2015 - 16:26

Mehmets stockman seems to be around 115kgs if he is 78 plus helmet and so on making his 198 why is the kart that heavy? Maybe the chassis is heavier as well as the longer wheel base making that way. I don't know but if the minority are over 200 well you just have to put up with it or don't do it. If we take all the weights at the first round of the Nationals and half are around 195 plus then maybe we look at it I suppose. It wont hurt to look at it.

Realistically the only one you have to beat is yourself. 115kg for a 125GB kart seems about right. The Anderson twins are about 135kg. Like Owen said, there are a lot of things on a purpose built Superkart that are not on a sprint kart chassis. A NGB kart once it has the currently allowed bodywork on it is around the 87kg mark with some brands of chassis hitting 93-95kg depending on wall thickness of the tubes used.

If the weights in a class are bumped up because some (read what you want into that) can't make the minimum weight, how long before it gets bumped up again because people can't make weight again? Just saying.

When I got into the NGB side of racing there was only one class. 160kg for all Rotax NGB. I used to see that readout on the scales but only as it flashed by. When they bought in the light and heavy classes all that meant was I was over the minimum weight by less. Didn't make me any faster or closer to the same blokes at the race meetings. Perhaps if I had have gained a couple of more kilos and grew some bigger balls I would have improved.

Fullysick

Sun, 01/02/2015 - 18:31

[quote author=Dougie link=topic=2485.msg27156#msg27156 date=1422771617]
Jase, why do you keep making out like all the drivers in 125 GB are fat bastards? Does it make you feel better about yourself? The karts are heavier, we have a full floor, pods, nose, wing, uprights, larger radiator, more pluming, electric fuel pumps and larger engine mounts. Full size seats, larger fuel tanks, more chassis raiI, larger tyres, front uprights, larger crash bars and so on and so on, the list could go on forever. The weight is mainly in the design of the kart. 90% of the stuff on your brm you can buy off a shelf cause it's mass produced and made of light materials cause sprint karters break things and change things more often than i cange my underwear. Those of us with older superkart style chassis don't have that luxury, i usually have to make parts for my kart myself, i need to make them strong enough to last so they are heavier. My kart has gone over the scales at 213kg before, and at that point in time i only weighed 78kg. That's not to say however i haven't seen an avoig or stockman or two go over the scales very close to 180kg. Some of us just have more important things to focus on than weight.

I don't want the weight changed, but i'd appreciate if you cut the crap about other people being unfit and overweight, it's just not needed mate.

So your kart is light? Put your thinking cap on and bolt your weight somewherw where you will have a handling and weight advantage over us, rather than getting on here and being a dick to everyone about it.

If people are upset about the weights, they can buy and identical copy of your chassis cause their so light. When you come out and beat the pants off us all this year i'm sure there will be a lot of people that will follow suit.

If i have offended you Jase, call me, you have my number, i haven't meant to.
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What the *censored* is up your arse junior? If you are referring to the tinker bell comment then you should know that I am good mates with Brett and he's obviously not as delicate as you.
It's a valid question Doug as there is a push to put the weights up and I wanted to get a feel for what people thought of this.
Why would I want to bolt weight on Doug, I already have a handling advantage over you.
If you don't want the weights up then just say so. I'll be at QR next weekend if you want to get personal.
In short it's a constructive thread Doug so leave this shit out and talk to me about any beef you have like a man. Very disappointed.

Fullysick

Fri, 27/02/2015 - 19:50

Well I've changed my mind, I didn't realize that a particular kart brand is so heavy that one of its drivers has decided to drill holes through his chassis to shed the weigh. Kind of mates a cut in a crash bar seem pretty insignificant doesn't it.
Put the weights up if you are that desperate, I'll just use it to corner weight mine so it's even faster through the corners.

Jason

Fullysick

Fri, 27/02/2015 - 20:10

Won't name name's but it's NSW Owen so a quick look around the pits at Wakefield should get your answer if he's running.