The time has come to kick of the Nationals in a big way.
The entry form is now available, plus other useful information via this link:
http://www.superkartsvictoria.com/AASA%20Nationals.html
If you wish to come along and watch, it's FREE.
If you wish to contact us, please do it via the e mail link on our Nationals page rather than here which may not get checked as often.
Hope to see you there.
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Ashley, you should try to run it in March. There's no races in Victoria at that time for nearly two months, would surely get a few up there. We are planning on heading up whenever you run it, as long as you have a class of Nationals to compete in ;D
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Sounds good Scott, we will definitely have a field of Nationals up here if club racing is anything to go by with 7-8 regularly at club meetings and maybe a few more to come this year. It could end up being the biggest class if we get some of the NSW, Vic and SA guys come up :)
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Waiting to play with the "Big boys" ?
Or waiting for a home track advantage?
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Nothing will change though, this sport loves shooting itself in the feet on a regular basis.
Jason
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Comment on social media concerning the Shannons Nationals year wrap up about no Superkarts (video is top left, https://www.facebook.com/theNationals/videos ). To sum that up. No television no promotion. All bar Superkarts do 5 or 6 rounds and have a television package that reduces the cost per round. Total entry cost per round is more than what Superkarts pay for entry but it includes everything except the Friday practice/rides.
Multi round championships are good, but after half way it is only those that have a chance or just racing tragics that turn up to every round if the whole year is not prepaid at the start.
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If the sport is to survive it needs to focus on a few key points rather than worrying about the name of 125 go for instance. I mean there's a great example of wasted time and effort for what?
Jason.
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The majority of the Superkarters are budget racers with families and mortgages to balance the income and time available over. This is the reality of our sport and it is motorsport at the lowest financial level. :o
I have seen the National Titles run over a single event and it was well attended because it was the highlight of the racing year. There were State Titles for those who want more major races within the year and had the resources to go – and some of these were well attended but not all.
The entry list for the CAMS National Title rounds in the last few years is the worst it has been since I can remember. When you consider that nearly 30 Stock Hondas have been sold within the last few years and yet little of this new class has been seen at major events. This should be a concern for all of us as it is clear that we are missing something. The Stock Honda class could have been the biggest gearbox class at the Nationals if they all attended – now that is food for thought ???
I am not singling out a particular class but just pointing out that the real growth of the gearbox Superkarts has been in this class and they are mostly being missed in the Shannon’s series. :'(
In my opinion, Superkarting needs to combine all classes again and run a single National Title over 2 days – (Friday practice optional). :)
Regards
Allan.
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You can talk all you want and quote figures that show a decline but it won't do any good as they don't have the sports best interests at heart. Take the schedule for EC at round one for instance, how can the SKA look anyone in the eyes and say that was a good round. But they did and we all paid good money for the privilege.
Jason
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Would i have run the glorified club meeting? Probably not. Here's a couple of simple reasons.
1. To be the best, you have to beat the best. The top 5 from the real Australian Championship weren't going to be running. Aust Champ Dalton ran Stock Honda, Peoples Champ Dan Lewis wasn't coming, Dale has a broken engine and is saving for an operation, Marty ran twins and Pelli indicated he wasn't running. What should i do, enter to make two entries and run for nothing in a nothing title?
2.Price to do 2-3 day event with accommodation and up to four sets of tyres, fuel etc, plus all the wank bbq's, lounges etc would have been $2500-$3000 for the two karts, to expensive after a long season. Someone please run it in Feb or March.
3. As for sitting in sheds, i've entered 25 karts in 9 events this year with 8 drivers, 14 of those being 250 National entries between 6 drivers. 4 of those drivers being new club members to the VSC, so i challenge anyone to say i haven't done my bit.
4. The rest of my money, well lets just say Santa is not delivering it til mid January. ;)
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Would i have run the glorified club meeting? Probably not. Here's a couple of simple reasons.
1. To be the best, you have to beat the best. The top 5 from the real Australian Championship weren't going to be running.[/quote]
There in lies the major problem.
Shit can the event. Talk up what you want to do, then shit can the controlling body it was run under and promote a controlling body that does nothing for Superkarting, or motorsport in general, unless it can make a generous profit on everything.
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How many races have you run this year or last Craig?? You always seem to have an opinion, haven't seen you at a track though.
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I won't ever run in a 2 event national series over two states. I.e the current CAMS championship.
Why? Time and money...
I will run in a single 2 / 3 day national event (CAMS or AASA I don't care) held in NSW, SA or VIC.
Why can't I make it to QLD? Time and money...
Formula for the best Nationals in a decade:
1) Get a single event Nationals to Mallala or Wakefield in early 2016 (March / April)
2) Superkarts only event
2) Have VSKC / SA / NSW / QLD club rounds 6-8 weeks or more either side of the event
3) Drop the current 2 round championship
Fresh eyes, fresh ideas, unbiased, and passionate. Come on you lot, let go of the current, and get on the same page and share the vision of a young bastard.
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Good luck getting the old guard to take notice.
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Nathan has the right thoughts though.
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I won't be removing anything as its all factual and valid information that's important to discuss and attempt to get this category improved for the future. The forum is here to discuss such issues and every members voice can be heard.
Just keep any personal shit to yourselves please as it ain't going to help anything.
So many good points raised... I hope someone has the time, energy and money to see it through atleast to try and see if it makes a difference. Nothing to loose really...
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Having worked for a ute team this year and knowing what a dictator style governance they have I don't think some of you know how good it is to have options. You must pay for tv, you must turn up for their events or be fined, here's our new sponsor, you must use their shocks, please pay 5k for them. Then with the uncertainty of the category, the franchise and car you just paid 70k for three years ago is now worth 30k.
Blame CAMS all you like, the one you should be blaming is the guy who gave V8 Supercars a 99 year contract to decide what categories in Australia can have an Australian Title and what they must do to keep it. He sold out Australian Motorsport.
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These people don't know what it means to have the hunger to be elite, to be above all others by pure grit and determination.
Once people stop letting personal differences get in the way for the benefit of the sport, we will only go backwards.
Stock Honda starter motor is the best thing that could have happened in 2014 yet people have to let their personal differences get in the way.
This sport's worst enemy are the members themselves.
Enjoy it while it lasts members.
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Then we get to the AASA Nationals, the AASA only runs race meetings in two States. They don't run them in WA or SA and now not in QLD so what do we do ?
The SKA put a submission to the NSA to change the name of the 125 Gearbox Class to 125 Gearbox National Class to bring it into line with the other Gearbox Classes ( 250 Gearbox International, 250 Gearbox National ). Something that should have been very simple, the SKA did not have to bring the NSA into it as it is not a technical change but they did, it hasn't been circulated to the Vic Members and I don't know about other Clubs. The AMRC is looking at this and scratching their heads wondering, if the NSA can't sort this out how can they run the sport. My thoughts on the matter anyway.
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Without looking it up, who knows who won these Australian Championships.
V8 Supercars series
V8 Development series
V8 Touring Cars series
V8 Ute series
Sports Sedan series
Saloon Car series
Formula 3
Formula Ford
Radical Australia Cup
Sports Racers
GT Championship
Carrera Cup
GT3 Challenge
Australian Manufacturers
IROC Challenge
Aussie Racing Cars
Touring Car Masters
250 International
250 National
125cc
I know 5 of the car disciplines and all 3 of the karts.
If it came down to who won which rounds of each series who would know what?
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A Stock Honda ran at both rounds this year and had a ball, where were the rest of them, the SKA was prepared to give out trophies for the class.
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Selective memory is an amazing thing. Did you forget how I got 5x Stock Honda's at an SKA National title before it was even a Stock Honda class. Those people paid at least $400 entry(same as everyone else) just to put on a great event and help SKA to the tune of over $2000. I sponsored the trophies only to then hear from both Pellicano and Silcock afterwards;
(i) Stock Honda have no business at SKA event and interrupt the real racers
(ii) that the trophies I supplied were better than SKA trophies to upstage them
Now you crownies have the balls to say you only 1 Stock Honda turns up (Pelly's mate) seriously, FFS!
Did I not get 10x Stock Honda's to Adelaide in a state that didn't even have 1?
Yes there is 30 of them built, I have the list, I only own one and Tracey owns 0, so they are out there far in people's sheds............ When is the personal agendas going to stop because personal agendas gets in the way at CAMS meetings and AASA meetings, they get in the way of $100 race entry or $500 race entry.
Put your knifes away and either go racing or go fishing and leave the sport alone.
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As for the height of stupidity , I cannot believe that CAMS relented and in a 2 round series accepted 5 entries as a minimum number to award a class a Championship trophy !! If the SKA cannot attract enough entries to fill the classes to their minimum requirements then why has the SKA's efforts not been brought into the spotlight ?? As mentioned, there are over 2 dozen Stock Hondas around the country, each of Vic, NSW and Qld have a dozen 125 GB's and I am told endlessly that there are 14 or 15 250 Inters up and running in every state.
We need a single event run by a club so that ALL the money stays within the sport. When the SKA was formed I bet CAMS were thinking great here's a promotor who can take on the responsibility of the care and feeding of the category and in time return a profit so we ,CAMS, get money from it. Well no none of that has come to pass, and the SKA are now like a 5th wheel and putting their own suggestions on rule changes to the NSA. Huh !!!
And along with no money to CAMS , the outcome of the transfer of the nationals and the promotion of our sport is such that the sport is in decline to the tune that the SA and Vic clubs now have well over 50% of all license holders in their ranks. The absolute worst outcome on the formation of the SKA should have been "no change" , the numbers should have at least remained at the same level if they have not increased as was the promise for the future. There are now only 40% of the number of licensed Superkart drivers around the country as against when the SKA began.
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We don't have any more than four active 250 inter now compared to five years ago when there were up to ten at a meeting and about 15 active.
Our 125 GB figures are more like 7 maximum with only Dreane and Craig taking karts to the nationals. We have four stock Honda karts here, two ran one round each this year for various reasons. And none belong to a current CAMS license holder. The National class is getting stronger up here but I can't say I have ever seen more than five or seven on a track together.
So the bottom line is Shannons is a hard sell to get guy's to purchase a license for two rounds and commit the substantial time and money required to run at these event's.
A one round championship under whatever banner is the only way to go. If CAMS don't want to award an Aussie title for one round then so be it, for sake of the sport we need to do what's best for us.
Or we can just keep going like we are not be around in ten years.
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I would think the only tracks that would be viable hire fee wise would be Mallala, Winton & Wakefield, possibly Lakeside?
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I am certainly proud of the SA drivers who did take a leap of faith last month, trusted the Vic club would do it right, and we all went and ran at Winton under the dark side of the AASA. No hiccups with the event, but not one driver will ever grace the circuit with their presence again.
The cost of Mallala for a 2 day weekend is $14,000 - includes the track, flaggies, ambo etc. I looked into Philip Island for a 2 day event a year or so ago and that was $25,000 for everything. I'd be pretty close in assuming every other track in Australia will fall somewhere between those two. What I do not know is how far up, or down, the race permit fee can go in 2015 and under all the various organisations.
So if we set a $300 entry fee we need 47 at Mallala , or 84 at PI. That is without sponsorship income, which in 2015 cannot be relied upon to gain us anything substantial. And this is not beyond us if all the country was racing on CAMS licenses, but we are not. And I'd be foolish to think that an event at Mallala is going to attract over 50 drivers , BUT it is realistic to think we could get the 84 at PI , or even Eastern Creek, if that is the one and only national Championship event the sport offered.
But sadly the 2 dozen drivers who want the SKA to continue with Shannon's or anyone else are also the big noises who can make sure it stays that way. When we split the Nationals by classes we split the sport, and no-one gains by going in different directions. In what year did the progression from the 80cc and 125 NGB classes into the larger 250 GB classes begin to stop ?? The same year that we ran separate events for the GB Nationals. They disappeared from club days, so they fell out of view of any potential new participants because those people certainly were not at an Shannons meetings.
I can quote numbers all day long, I have kept the records on these things, but who is willing to listen when it hurts to hear that we have declined from 64 entrants in the first year to 32 entrants this year at the SKA run series. In a state like SA where we had over 60 GB karts run regularly all year long in the 1990's , and even up to 20 of the 250 Inters at every club day thru to 2000, to now we see 2, 3 or at best 4 gearbox karts on any day. And Scotty you are not an orphan, they blame me for that , or at least every 250 driver does, but I am just the one kart shop owner who has stuck it out since the beginning, the rest have all gone and with them all of the 125/250's.
Getting back to today and how we can move forward. We could suck it up over here in SA and agree to a single event that rotates from EC to PI annually, the last Nationals at PI two years ago we supplied 19 NGB drivers from SA. I take that as demonstrating that if it is held at a big and wonderful circuit "they will come". I'd even be so presumptuous as to say that if it goes solely to PI every year it will succeed, you know everyone likes the "facility", the track is good,the pits are nice, the canteen is top shelf, even the toilets are liveable !! And if its only the one trip you plan for a year then everyone gets enough holidays to cover a 5 or 6 day trip once a year for their beloved sport.
But this will make anyone from Qld think twice as it is a CAMS track, and as we now are seeing there are less and less CAMS events in both NSW and Qld so there are fewer CAMS licensed drivers. Solve that problem and you may fix a few more of our issues.
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CAMS that I can think of up here would be as follows
Russell
J Smith
D Lewis
M Nicholas
D Jammo
C Jammo
S Bell
L Jammo
Tim
P Silcock
Sean
And myself, but I have not renewed mine yet. Apparently now we aren't with the AASA so that would answer that question.
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At best we would have no more than two, as we tend to race the Island more frequently.
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AASA currently recognize the CAMS license hence why there is no problem running under them.
Permit fee's are cheaper with AASA.
Track price can be negotiated with AASA.
Currently I believe we enjoy a discounted slot with Shannons and dispensation with CAMS for a two round title.
If and when the Shannon's series gets sold that could change or if more categories buy a slot with Shannons the superkart slot would go.
The current AASA series attracts the budget racer and it's up us as a sport to decide which one is more important to US.
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Jase, Queensland does its own insurance which is not that hard to do. ;)
I believe they run as ASA? but am happy to be corrected.
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There is no perfect solution really, in saying that there are club rounds run at these track's all year if that's your preference.
My thoughts are that the only way to be sustainable in the future is to run a single round AASA nats.
In saying that, the sport would have to decide to part ways with the SKA and Shannons for everyone to have one option or we all just keep going round in circles.
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Does any know who fomula4 will hold its Nationals with, I no rocket scientists but. :-\
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A little rocket surgery here. CAMS owns all the chassis and motors. The cars are only available for lease. No cars or motors can be owned outright and they are a support for the V8 circus.
At this moment in time Superkarts are being used to fill gaps in the Shannons schedule until an alternative cheap car category can sustain itself (Suzuki Swift style series).
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NSW 39
Qld 18
SA 36
Vic 55
WA 4
ACT 2
A grand total of 154.
Two years ago, 2012 , there were 202 , ten years ago, 2004, there were 403.
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And in two years what happens to the older model F4s?, they wont just put them in the bin they will make thier way into a subcategory, and then Superkarts can take a hike...so to speak.
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the older model F4's when they are pensioned off out of the Championship and National classes that will eventuate will become like the F3's and Formula Ford categories have. Also rans in the world of CAMS.
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Thanks Ian, for the plain facts (numbers). :)
1. If you were in the Licence business (read revenue) and CAMS is, you would have to be very concerned by that type of performance trend – 50% loss in 10 years!
2. If you were in the Governing Business and CAMS is, you would probably be a concerned again by that type of performance trend as even less revenue is coming in from less entrants.
3. If you were in the Sport Promotion Business and CAMS is, you would be equally concerned about YOUR performance trend and would try to get a handle on the situation before YOU lose it completely.
4. If you were the man in that Sport Promotion Business hot seat, you might be very worried about your boss asking you to “please explain” why on your shift the sport of Superkarting is heading downwards!
If I was the CAMS man in this seat, I would be wanting to talk to the club’s official’s to find out what is happening ???
I am not throwing this on CAMS alone as we are the ones to blame mostly because we accept this type of performance from our paid Governors. :'(
As the new guard of club members take over from the old guard, there are lessons to be relearnt as it happens in any club/group environment but there are also key people who can be listen too for advice so those painful lessons do not need to be so severe and do not have lasting effects on the sport. :'(
And please do not misunderstand me, I not trying to shoot anyone! Many of the people who work hard in the clubs have helped those clubs survive but the trend in Superkarting is there for all to see and it is at an all-time low – something has to be done today. :o
My own opinion is that Eastern Creek (SMP) is probably the only workable solution for a one day National event as it is within a reasonable day trip for all the clubs to attend (WA excluded). Let’s face it, no one wants a 24 hour road trip each way with the 3-5 days off work that goes with it. :-\
You might do it if you are very keen but you are going to reduce your numbers by half or more for that club that has to travel so far. This applies equally for VIC, SA and QLD if another track such as QLD Raceway or Phillip Island is chosen. Only NSW is in the position that it has a day trip to any chosen Track other than SMP.
And it is fact that, the more drivers that attend a big event the more you want to be at that event to test yourself against those drivers. ;D
Furthermore, it should be run by all the clubs as a joint venture so that the sport is controlled by it’s membership - and they should vote on any changes as a whole before any decisions are made – 1 vote for 1 member only – majority rules – no NSA or other bodies :o
There will be State Titles for those people and teams that have the resources to travel and want to race at Phillip Island, QLD Raceway, Mallala, etc … and these events will become more prestigious in themselves because of the single National Title event. :)
Of course, it also means that we have to work together as a whole for the growth of the sport and there-in lies the challenge for us all. If majority rules apply, then I think that the majority will see the best path for the sport and choose it – or at the least, we will avoid the decisions of the few to alter the sport’s path from what the majority want. 8)
Best regards
Allan Litten
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A AASA and QR licence regardless of what its called is the same. The events at QR and Lakeside are AASA events but are named differently. Think you will find that John Tetley way 1 of the founders of the AASA movement, may still even own a share still. Queensland Raceways uses all the AASA insurance, licencing etc but has a Queensland Raceways name on it.
CAMS, where do you start? The only CAMS track we have is Morgan Park. Landcruiser Park would be a proper name for it I think. They cant get a grant from CAMS or the State or Federal Government to resurface for whatever reason so its days are numbered. Basicly Superkarts, most Formula cars and the Sports Prototype race cars have left them as the track is too dangerous and rough. Shame because if the maintainance was kept up, its a great layout.
Qld CAMS licences are down at the moment due to not having a CAMS race track. If CAMS dont want to support their own race tracks, they wont have any licence holders either. Simple really.
When Toowoomba opens August 2016 this will all change as everybody will want to be on the new track. We will have about 30 extra licence holders then but till then, we keep doing what we do now.
1 thing is for sure, racing at Lakeside is doing us good. Poeple go there, close to the city but the track needs to be be treated with respect. Maybe its the history of the place or something but the club has gone well since we have gone back to there
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I see the biggest issues so far from reading you responses
1) AASA and CAMS license split.
2) Changing the National championship.
Point 2 cant happen without point 1 been sorted. For the AASA guys, why would they pay 6 x the license cost to run one race at Eastern Creek if that's how we went for a single geographically central winner take all National Championship round.
Righto, so the big question for ALL the members...
CAN WE GET OUR OWN SINGLE EVENT INSURANCE FOR A ONE OFF NATIONAL TITLE RACE AT EASTERN CREEK THAT ACCEPTS AASA AND CAMS LICENSES
I'm assuming Eastern Creek would allow this of course???
I suggest all the Club presidents fly to Sydney for a 2 day conference (expenses paid with member and committee approval) with the Agenda items to be Insurance, and a single event nationals. Someone with more smarts than me will know how to finalize the details, but the concept is here.
With an in principal agreement a nation wide vote would take place, with each club secretary handling the respective correspondence for it's members
Righto club presidents, what do you think??? It's time to draw the line in the sand and start with a fresh page.
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I'm assuming Eastern Creek would allow this of course???".
Sorry to inform you Nathan but this can't happen. Try again. No AASA race meetings at SMP as far as I know. Seeing it is run by the CAMS faithfull, not much chance of it happening in the near future.
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It's called a permit fee.
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The next question is, what exact cover do Cams, AASA and AASA QLD offer so we can compare apples with apples?
...It's out there and ready to go, just got to do the legwork and decide on what tracks
There is a lot of good comment here, and the one point that sticks out is that one round championships is what most want.
If all superkarters paid for a "superkart licence" that was'nt aligned with any particular organisation (Cams, AASA) but was recognised by these groups because it is the same level, then we could get our own insurance for each state, each track and each club under the one banner and do Superkarting how and when we like.
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Reassuring positive comments Rod. You got your head in the right spot. Fingers crossed for a good future!
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They now have a chapter in their book for Long Circuit Karting, its classes are open to be filled-in by the first interested party to take them up on it. And the WA Superkart club are running under them now, so I know its possible.
The benefits are permit fees are low, $95 a meeting in SA , plus a $6 fee per entry to the national body. Affiliation fees are around $145 a year per club, and they accept any circuit with any other organisation's track license so all current CAMS and AASA tracks are good. The pluses and low costs are just what we are looking for.
So what's the negative ??? Its still going to be the circuit owners that charge us the BIG fees for their track hire. They may be all cobbled up with the permit fee like at Mallala and PI, but a club day at Mallala has a permit fee under CAMS of $950 , so the remaining $5,050 per day goes to the track owner.
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That sounds like a great solution to one of the problem Superkarting is facing - rising costs. There is no doubt that a cheaper licence would encourage more new members to give Superkarting a try, and old members to keep their Superkart licence current even if they are not racing for a time.
And if we could do away with the "Loss of Licence" if you don't run for a few years; that would also help further to keep people involved in the sport.
As you say, if the AKA is accepted by the Track Owners, you have a organisation that can pull all the states back under a common governing body which is solely Kart based and with a cost savings as a benefit.
I, for one do not care about a CAMS recognised Title; an AKA National title will do me fine. :)
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The idea of being a part of the AKA gives us a positive that is not available elsewhere, we are then licensed the same as the 7,000+ karters already in karting in Australia. That means they are able to join us and race on a long circuit using their existing license and club membership. Puts the long worn argument about a cross-over license with CAMS to bed very quickly.
So there is then the question of just who will hire us their circuit if we go AKA, and in SA and Victoria where we run all of our events in association with another car club or category, will they still be willing or even able to do that ??