So true Mal..
IMHO Those that TRUELY LOVE THE SPORT will so try to be TRUE to all.
The ones who prostitute their love for Unfair personal gain...
Greed..
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But to know a sport,
Really understand,
Takes time, dedication... Obsession!
Often I have observed, admittedly in other sports (sailing), professionals are those who have spent enough time and contemplation to really get an understanding of the reality of the whole sport.
If they can be altruistic, above the pettiness of making an empire or the Filthy Lucra, these can be the best leaders and ambassadors of their sport.
New to this sport (but getting quickly obsessed!) I'm hopping the new governance and AKA crew are FOR the sport and not using it!
Carl
In a perfect world NO.
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But unless there is a constitutional rule making these people ineligible to hold a position it will always happen.
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As Mal has said it then comes back to control. These people should declare their interest and when a topic arises that is a clear conflict they should not have a vote on it. Something the OLD AKA suffered from, but club level will be much harder to control on local issues really.
Any good businessman will always try and corner the market somehow or at lest get to the new people first, and quite often many newbies will seek out or be directed to a club committee member to get the initial "sales pitch" and thats where trouble can start as you say. Its a problem generally when karters talk to newbies are they being told utter rubbish, I have seen this done a lot like comments "yes this sport is cheap as" are very misleading etc. being sold a package incompatable is very difficult to prosecute as what is uncompetitive and reality is IS ANY newbie going to be competitive out of the blocks it all gets back to what he is "sold" sorry "told" when he first asks about the sport.
A kart shop owner on the committee is ideally placed to "sell" him his product if he is SMART he wont sell him a package that wont suit as he wants return custom not rip him off once and get no more sales from him etc. The problem starts when other kart shop owners in the same club gets peeved when they don't get a look in etc etc.
Kart shop,operators on any committee are in a place where they can influence things BUT when controlled by a vigilant committee its not a problem.
An example of very poor behaviour :
A former High ranking official in the Canberra club who owns a kart shop sold a newby a DD2.
The karter is still on 'P's so you can imagine his feelings when he found out it would be SOME TIME till he could drive said kart at his Canberra club track.
Very poor form, probably should be sued for it!
Just IMHO..
Carl,
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Thats just downright deceiptfull business and very very poor form and the worst I have heard of.
I would have him on a slowly turning rotisserie.
So therefore any committee member or executive involved in the administration of the sport at some level should always declare any pecuniary interests that they have in the sport, and if they derive any income via the sport? Would this then afford the newcomer the opportunity of researching the background of those he/she is seeking advice from?
This newby is, fortunately, still in the sport.
Bought a 2nd kart he Can drive..
But he Talks about it and obviously still has the s##ts about it.
The rings will have rusted by the time he has a B grade licence..
He frequents another, newer, kart shop now for some reason!
I got put down at our club didn't want the job but no one else was there do it so done a year than some one else took over depends on size the club small clubs no problem big clubs no way
Right you are, Mal.
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In a perfect world, we wouldn't have people with pecuniary interests in positions of power. That said, it happens at every level of politics from small kart clubs to the federal government (Clive Palmer, anyone?).
It's a clear imbalance of power when a kart shop owner is the president of a club, for example, or an engine builder is also the engine measurer. However, in a climate like ours where securing volunteers is very difficult, often we have no other choice. Certainly, the Canberra situation sounded very poorly handled and the AKA should probably respond with a set of guidelines for declaring pecuniary interests.
And really Col comes down to controling of this person with such interests easily done by requiring any interest to be noted and requires this person NOT to vote on any issue that clashes with his/her interst. And always keep in mind in a democratic system one person one vote any vested interest can be controlled my the majority if they are on the ball.
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Canberra was a clear egsample of when things go bad when a vested interest goes uncontrolled. And it has happened at higher levels of this sport as well but the higher you go the LESS valid the arguement of "lack of volunteers" becomes and needs more controlling. Clive Palmer hasn't done anything wrong but the potential for a vested interest is real but not uncontrollable. he is one man and doesn't set any agendas. [ he would like to think otherwise lol]
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So true Mal..
IMHO Those that TRUELY LOVE THE SPORT will so try to be TRUE to all.
The ones who prostitute their love for Unfair personal gain...
Greed..
######
But to know a sport,
Really understand,
Takes time, dedication... Obsession!
Often I have observed, admittedly in other sports (sailing), professionals are those who have spent enough time and contemplation to really get an understanding of the reality of the whole sport.
If they can be altruistic, above the pettiness of making an empire or the Filthy Lucra, these can be the best leaders and ambassadors of their sport.
New to this sport (but getting quickly obsessed!) I'm hopping the new governance and AKA crew are FOR the sport and not using it!
Carl
In a perfect world NO.
Â
But unless there is a constitutional rule making these people ineligible to hold a position it will always happen.
Â
As Mal has said it then comes back to control. These people should declare their interest and when a topic arises that is a clear conflict they should not have a vote on it. Something the OLD AKA suffered from, but club level will be much harder to control on local issues really.
Any good businessman will always try and corner the market somehow or at lest get to the new people first, and quite often many newbies will seek out or be directed to a club committee member to get the initial "sales pitch" and thats where trouble can start as you say. Its a problem generally when karters talk to newbies are they being told utter rubbish, I have seen this done a lot like comments "yes this sport is cheap as" are very misleading etc. being sold a package incompatable is very difficult to prosecute as what is uncompetitive and reality is IS ANY newbie going to be competitive out of the blocks it all gets back to what he is "sold" sorry "told" when he first asks about the sport.
A kart shop owner on the committee is ideally placed to "sell" him his product if he is SMART he wont sell him a package that wont suit as he wants return custom not rip him off once and get no more sales from him etc. The problem starts when other kart shop owners in the same club gets peeved when they don't get a look in etc etc.
Kart shop,operators on any committee are in a place where they can influence things BUT when controlled by a vigilant committee its not a problem.
An example of very poor behaviour :
A former High ranking official in the Canberra club who owns a kart shop sold a newby a DD2.
The karter is still on 'P's so you can imagine his feelings when he found out it would be SOME TIME till he could drive said kart at his Canberra club track.
Very poor form, probably should be sued for it!
Just IMHO..
Carl,
Â
Thats just downright deceiptfull business and very very poor form and the worst I have heard of.
I would have him on a slowly turning rotisserie.
So therefore any committee member or executive involved in the administration of the sport at some level should always declare any pecuniary interests that they have in the sport, and if they derive any income via the sport? Would this then afford the newcomer the opportunity of researching the background of those he/she is seeking advice from?
This newby is, fortunately, still in the sport.
Bought a 2nd kart he Can drive..
But he Talks about it and obviously still has the s##ts about it.
The rings will have rusted by the time he has a B grade licence..
He frequents another, newer, kart shop now for some reason!
I got put down at our club didn't want the job but no one else was there do it so done a year than some one else took over depends on size the club small clubs no problem big clubs no way
Right you are, Mal.
Also, Nozzle - your account name is in contravention of our guidelines. Please update your profile with your full name if you wish to continue posting on this site.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't have people with pecuniary interests in positions of power. That said, it happens at every level of politics from small kart clubs to the federal government (Clive Palmer, anyone?).
It's a clear imbalance of power when a kart shop owner is the president of a club, for example, or an engine builder is also the engine measurer. However, in a climate like ours where securing volunteers is very difficult, often we have no other choice. Certainly, the Canberra situation sounded very poorly handled and the AKA should probably respond with a set of guidelines for declaring pecuniary interests.
And really Col comes down to controling of this person with such interests easily done by requiring any interest to be noted and requires this person NOT to vote on any issue that clashes with his/her interst. And always keep in mind in a democratic system one person one vote any vested interest can be controlled my the majority if they are on the ball.
Â
Canberra was a clear egsample of when things go bad when a vested interest goes uncontrolled. And it has happened at higher levels of this sport as well but the higher you go the LESS valid the arguement of "lack of volunteers" becomes and needs more controlling. Clive Palmer hasn't done anything wrong but the potential for a vested interest is real but not uncontrollable. he is one man and doesn't set any agendas. [ he would like to think otherwise lol]
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/aia2009307/s31.html
Is a guideline for NSW