I understand there is a new constitution being proposed in NSW that will see no need for SKC meetings and the new board taking control???
NSW members need to get to their clubs and discuss this and properly understand WHY its being proposed and if it's good or not? first glance not sure taking the vote away from member clubs is good unless there is a real avenue elsewhere for them to have a say. Look at Canberra situation do we want that only on a bigger scale????
Plus read the proposal THOROUGHLY, make sure its TOTALLY understood by ALL not just your club exec, before casting your vote. Make sure there are proper avenues for member clubs to change things in future, be VERY careful of giving too much power to the board members without DETAILED instructions. If you don't like something or completely understand it DON'T vote for it!!!! once in its near impossible to change, so better off saying NO and they can go away and re word it better or eliminate the bits that aren't acceptable.
I know its boring at batsh!t but as Canberra has found out [ and many other clubs all to late] its the realm of the power players that they get their way. SO PLEASE pay attention NSW members to this item. I am off to my club to get a copy.
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Paul
You could have good reason to be very concerned and you may well be correct in your assumptions. I have attached a couple of documents that I came accross. Take particular attention to the following clauses.
(a) 13(m) The duties of individual members of the Board shall be those duties determined by the Board from time to time. I think not very good . All executive members responsibilities and duties need to be detailed in a position contract.
15(11) A maximum of two consecutive two year terms can be served by any Board Member however a board member who has served two consecutive terms will be eligible to seek appointment to the board one year after the conclusion of their second term. So this means current executives can stay for another two years.
18(h) is convicted of an offence involving fraud or dishonesty for which the maximum penalty on conviction is imprisonment for not less than 3 months. Do you really want anyone who has been convicted regardless of penalty?
19. Removal of board members
(1) KNSW in general meeting may by resolution remove any member of the board from the office of member before the expiration of the member’s term of office and may by resolution appoint another person to hold office until the expiration of the term of office of the member so removed.
(2) If a member of the board to whom a proposed resolution referred to in subclause (1) relates makes representations in writing to the secretary or chairman (not exceeding a reasonable length) and requests that the representations be notified to the members of KNSW, the secretary or the chairman may send a copy of the representations to each member of KNSW or, if the representations are not so sent, the member is entitled to require that the representations be read out at the meeting at which the resolution is considered.
There is no provision for a motion of no confidence against a executive board position! And the chairman can respond in a reasonable time! What is a reasonable time????
Good luck Paul..
Attachments:
Notice of Special General Meeting 10th August 2013.pdf, 91 KB
Karting Constitution as at 23-6-2013.doc, 188 KB
Thanks for the attachments saves me chasing my club sec,
Have to say your extracts are concerning, given their past interpretations of what can be done between general meetings your first egsample is TERRIFYING, basically can mean they can do what they wish without input shoud they so choose to. their jobs NEED to be listed and very clearly as well.
Any conviction should mean disqualification, past president of NSW WAS found guilty in a FED court but still held his position go figure!!!!!
No provision THEN INSERT ONE!!!!! geez what would Canberra do in their situation???
There must be strict boundaries put in place past history of the AKA shows it is infested with [ and still is] the wrong type of people at all levels, there must be an avenue to remove these people when they stick their head above the trench.
will have to read and find what other things are smelly, KARTERS IN NSW BEWARE BE VERY AWARE.
Part 19.1 as above - means who ever gets voted in has to toe the line or the be kicked out. Then the comittee can appoint whoever they like to the position for the next year (potentially you could be voted in today, be kicked off the comittee tonight and a crony in place by tomorrow! - and NO repeal available as it is covered by this rule!)
Talk about jobs for the boys! .
Hold on, its not copied from the Labor Party of NSW constitution is it????
look where that got the Ron!!!!,
very danerouds thing to apss off control to someone else.
Gents,
There is a little bit of confusion and contradiction in terms in this proposed constitution but by and large, it effects the paradigm shift of governance and management to a notionally skilled board of directors and dispenses with the Council's powers in that regard as reccomended by the ASC. I gather the SKC remains a 'body' as a council of clubs of sorts and if so, a conduit of matters of concern to clubs generally to the board. I can see some merit in that but I don't really see why a club with a matter to raise, didn't just circulate it to other clubs and then tell the board what the consensus is or call a general meeting to make it a resolution of members that binds the board.
The board structure includes 4 skilled positions:- Major Events, Finance, Strategic Services, (Planning and training) and Industry. I would like to see the skills sets requirements for each of those positions embodied in the constitution to ensure the right people are attracted and then elected to a specific function.
Do you know why there is no marketing and promotion director ? I think that position is the most critical in any level of sporting organisation.
Do you know why you would have zone representatives when they aren't bringing any skills to the table ?
Neil, the reason you have 2 year terms of office and 2 rotatations of that is to keep some continuity and consistency at board level. To ensure not everyone is replaced at the one time, the re-elections are staggered and you will see that some directors initially are only elected for one year.
The dishonesty ban comes from the Corporations Act. I agree with you that a dishonesty conviction should disquailfy you from being elected regardless of the penalty.
And finally, you do not need a motion of no confidence provision stated in a constitution, they are a meeting procedure device. They are ineffective anyway if the target takes no notice.
Not sure what you mean there Paul.
I haven't joined a club and am unlikely to unless there is a very big and radical change to the karting officialdom system . I tried to unravel all the layers of the AKA so I could get a handle on who was responsible for what and when about a year ago, then realised that the AKA as a whole may be an organsiation, but it is not organised. The AKA is tasked to be represent karters, but I cannot see any evidence of that happening.
The states seem to do their own thing and interpret the rules differently to the point I cannot buy an S engine or parts for the same, for tarmac use from S.A. to run in NSW as SA allow engine mods that are deemed illegal in NSW!
I would love a set of rules that embedded the idea of KISS .
To me a 'do whatever you like to the engine' system - BUT the engine must be fed through a 3mm thick mild steel inlet restrictor of XXmm diameter and the exhaust must go through a 3mm thick stainless steel restrictor of XXmm. maybe have a one engine per meeting rule, with an engine change for race incident damage( ie, you are the innocent party of a pile up but the head of your engine has all the fins on one side smashed off by another kart) allowed by the CoC, but restrictors have to be carried over to new engine.
Chassis must fit inside a dimesnion box of X x X x X.
Tyres must be a certain type.
You could do a fly wheel weight check as it is easy to check that.
Win a club round - you have to carry an extra 2kg for rest of season per round won (ie, min weight for class + 2kg is your new min weight) . Win a state /national round , carry an extra 5kg for all races NEXT season. With the online registration for many races now , same for licences, such weight endorsements would relatively easy to monitor/ be notified of now days.
Basic idea, but you get the idea I hope. That would make the rule book for kart and engine setup about 4 pages long.
But why is there so many layers to AKA? Club, state and ONE over all body is all there should be. There seems to be another one or two in there now- what for?
Ron,
Can't debate with on your engine spec suggestions as am not a engine person, but my initial reaction [ which can be wrong due to my limited engine knowledge] would be what would stop the rich guy with money spending big money to make their S go faster??? thus perpetuationg this eternal belief of rich = faster.
as for weight as a performance equaliser been discussed before it has been used in many forms of motorsport and with some success so may well be an option. but if used will have to have some rules that ensured that the driver is complying at future events etc and what events attract a weight penalty ie do club days? or only major meetings? is 2kgs enough?
As for levels of admin I agree if AKA was just ONE BIG CLUB it would have some advantages but also some mind blowing disadvantages. As prooven by the move to governance original plan was to basically remove the state level [ keep clubs] ie clubs had access to the relelavnt boards etc, one plan even NO CLUBS just karters. But those who wished to have the power at the time saw their jobs threatened and convinced the members [ or did they???] that they needed states still.
Looking at NSW trying to do their own thing very much like National body is, asks me why are they doing this? how does a NSW club get an issue to the national board for discussion?? etc as its ths national board that will make the national rules, also they are duplicating a lot of what the national board is doing will that conflict with them is it duplicating positions?
As I see the new Governance with its various sub committees clubs can go directly to these committees with their issue??? for the committee to asses respond or move onto the board etc, If the sub committees are doing their JOB they will be asking the CLUBS what they want/need etc not the states as such. One of my hopes for governance was to eliminate the need for a SKC or at least make SKC focus on state issues only. NSW may well be shutting clubs out of this process.
I just wonder if NSW karters will feel mor empowered or less with this new move of NSW???
The word is the SGM has now been canceled in lieu of pursuing the correct procedural method of carrying out the wishes of the SKC from a motion voted in favour of on the 19 January 2013.
Paul Hewitt said:
Ron,
Can't debate with on your engine spec suggestions as am not a engine person, but my initial reaction [ which can be wrong due to my limited engine knowledge] would be what would stop the rich guy with money spending big money to make their S go faster??? thus perpetuationg this eternal belief of rich = faster.
as for weight as a performance equaliser been discussed before it has been used in many forms of motorsport and with some success so may well be an option. but if used will have to have some rules that ensured that the driver is complying at future events etc and what events attract a weight penalty ie do club days? or only major meetings? is 2kgs enough?
As for levels of admin I agree if AKA was just ONE BIG CLUB it would have some advantages but also some mind blowing disadvantages. As prooven by the move to governance original plan was to basically remove the state level [ keep clubs] ie clubs had access to the relelavnt boards etc, one plan even NO CLUBS just karters. But those who wished to have the power at the time saw their jobs threatened and convinced the members [ or did they???] that they needed states still.
Looking at NSW trying to do their own thing very much like National body is, asks me why are they doing this? how does a NSW club get an issue to the national board for discussion?? etc as its ths national board that will make the national rules, also they are duplicating a lot of what the national board is doing will that conflict with them is it duplicating positions?
As I see the new Governance with its various sub committees clubs can go directly to these committees with their issue??? for the committee to asses respond or move onto the board etc, If the sub committees are doing their JOB they will be asking the CLUBS what they want/need etc not the states as such. One of my hopes for governance was to eliminate the need for a SKC or at least make SKC focus on state issues only. NSW may well be shutting clubs out of this process.
I just wonder if NSW karters will feel mor empowered or less with this new move of NSW???
Attachments:
KARTING NSW SKC Minutes 19 Jan 2013.docx, 13 KB
what????? have they been watching what happened in Canberra?? or did they remember their last brush with DFT regarding procedures??? really makes you wonder how much these people really know about how things are done for heavens sake its written down!!!!Neville Scullion said:
The word is the SGM has now been canceled in lieu of pursuing the correct procedural method of carrying out the wishes of the SKC from a motion voted in favour of on the 19 January 2013.
Paul Hewitt said:
Ron,
Can't debate with on your engine spec suggestions as am not a engine person, but my initial reaction [ which can be wrong due to my limited engine knowledge] would be what would stop the rich guy with money spending big money to make their S go faster??? thus perpetuationg this eternal belief of rich = faster.
as for weight as a performance equaliser been discussed before it has been used in many forms of motorsport and with some success so may well be an option. but if used will have to have some rules that ensured that the driver is complying at future events etc and what events attract a weight penalty ie do club days? or only major meetings? is 2kgs enough?
As for levels of admin I agree if AKA was just ONE BIG CLUB it would have some advantages but also some mind blowing disadvantages. As prooven by the move to governance original plan was to basically remove the state level [ keep clubs] ie clubs had access to the relelavnt boards etc, one plan even NO CLUBS just karters. But those who wished to have the power at the time saw their jobs threatened and convinced the members [ or did they???] that they needed states still.
Looking at NSW trying to do their own thing very much like National body is, asks me why are they doing this? how does a NSW club get an issue to the national board for discussion?? etc as its ths national board that will make the national rules, also they are duplicating a lot of what the national board is doing will that conflict with them is it duplicating positions?
As I see the new Governance with its various sub committees clubs can go directly to these committees with their issue??? for the committee to asses respond or move onto the board etc, If the sub committees are doing their JOB they will be asking the CLUBS what they want/need etc not the states as such. One of my hopes for governance was to eliminate the need for a SKC or at least make SKC focus on state issues only. NSW may well be shutting clubs out of this process.
I just wonder if NSW karters will feel mor empowered or less with this new move of NSW???