Now we will see IF governance WILL work, with the filling of the various sub-committees THE most crucial part of this move. IF IF we see the SAME old guard get a seat we are off to a poor poor start. IF IF we see NEW faces then we may just get somewhere.
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Trev that was 10 years ago and since then there have been numerous changes. Most from back then are longer involved. Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Hey Paul, Iknow you are excellent at the Governance issue but
"but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour."
hopefully the new board will not let this happen - or what's the whole point of a new board. Lets be confident that the new board are smart and skilled enough to not let this happen otherwise we are back to square one. At this stage I feel pretty confident that they will make the right decisions if the right people apply for the roles.If the wrong people apply for the riles and they are the only option then we have to hope the board is aware of this and monitors it carefully. MESSAGE there- if you want to have a go apply now. In my opinion Karting is on the verge of moving forward, its not a basket case as some will like to make out. I see so many people on kartbook buying, selling, chatting, seeking advise etc and we have a huge bunch of guys having a crack in Europe, and the Rotax World champs and Vegas supernats, World champion Joey Hanseen racing all round Aus, plus, David Sera running all around Aus doing driver training and king nicely I think, plus huge field of a relatively new KZ2 class ( 34 ran in WA a few months ago). Also in WA we have big fields of Juniors, rookies and Midgets (sorry Dwarfs or is it Cadets I get confused HA HA).
Maybe transparency about the applicants who are overlooked may ally Mals comments. But in a lot of public service jobs you can challenge the applicant maybe the AKA could do that.
I am pretty confident the new board have no agendas so lets see what happens.
They've only been there a couple of months so there's is no reason to cast doubt on there integrity.
FURZ
Paul Hewitt said:
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
I hope you are right Furz, we will see soon enough.
Furz
Here is one item that need reviewing:
‘Preamble:-
The Confederation Internationale de Karting (CIK) is one of the sporting Commissions of the FIA.
The object of the CIK shall be to develop, promote, co-ordinate and regulate Karting-related
activities around the world, respecting the principles enacted by the Fédération Internationale de
l’Automobile (FIA).
The FIA has delegated national authority of karting to CAMS. The AKA’s authority to organise and
control karting in Australia has in turn been delegated to it by CAMS. Australia currently holds one
of the 27 seats on the CIK and is required to nominate a delegate to represent CAMS and the AKA.’
Incorrect. The AKA do not have total control of karting around Australia, and if they are not careful the ground swell of support to form break away organizations will bite them on the arse.
Therefore, the FIA delegate to CAMS authority to conduct CIK racing in Australia, which in turn delegates to AKA. (Any other organization can make application to CAMS to conduct CIK. Eg Private entrepreneur.)
AKA was formed by the participants as a peek National body to unify different state rules. Therefore in my humble opinion this should read
‘AKA is the peek national body formed to administer the sport of karting throughout Australia for those clubs affiliated with AKA. The FIA have delegated the control of CIK racing to CAMS, which in turn delegates to AKA Pty Ltd’.
I think it is a left over from previous admin and it has never been challenged or reviewed. What do you think?
Simon Furzer said:
Hey Paul, Iknow you are excellent at the Governance issue but
"but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour."
hopefully the new board will not let this happen - or what's the whole point of a new board. Lets be confident that the new board are smart and skilled enough to not let this happen otherwise we are back to square one. At this stage I feel pretty confident that they will make the right decisions if the right people apply for the roles.If the wrong people apply for the riles and they are the only option then we have to hope the board is aware of this and monitors it carefully. MESSAGE there- if you want to have a go apply now. In my opinion Karting is on the verge of moving forward, its not a basket case as some will like to make out. I see so many people on kartbook buying, selling, chatting, seeking advise etc and we have a huge bunch of guys having a crack in Europe, and the Rotax World champs and Vegas supernats, World champion Joey Hanseen racing all round Aus, plus, David Sera running all around Aus doing driver training and king nicely I think, plus huge field of a relatively new KZ2 class ( 34 ran in WA a few months ago). Also in WA we have big fields of Juniors, rookies and Midgets (sorry Dwarfs or is it Cadets I get confused HA HA).
Maybe transparency about the applicants who are overlooked may ally Mals comments. But in a lot of public service jobs you can challenge the applicant maybe the AKA could do that.
I am pretty confident the new board have no agendas so lets see what happens.
They've only been there a couple of months so there's is no reason to cast doubt on there integrity.
FURZ
Paul Hewitt said:
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Nev,
even is equal in qualifications they should go for the new face just keep perceptions at bay that the old guard have achieved what they wanted in the first place a seat at the board.
I have heard your last paragraph for years Nev, remember the old system worked well on paper, what happened???
NEW FACES Nev. new broom fresh start, old habits wont effect the new direction etc. Neville Scullion said:
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Paul some of these applications are for positions such as Track Inspector, Officials co-ordinators etc. Those personnel are not so much involved in the administration of the sport, but more delivery a field management aspect to the sport. You wouldn't expect the Tribunal Register to be given the flick just because of a new governance. The role their is of record keeping, plays no part in the every day running of sport as such and is n ot part of the decision making. I think there is a clearly defined difference here. Paul Hewitt said:
Nev,
even is equal in qualifications they should go for the new face just keep perceptions at bay that the old guard have achieved what they wanted in the first place a seat at the board.
I have heard your last paragraph for years Nev, remember the old system worked well on paper, what happened???
NEW FACES Nev. new broom fresh start, old habits wont effect the new direction etc. Neville Scullion said:
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Yes I would think people with the credentials like Ralph, Ken Seeber and some others would serve the sport fine. Ralph is a stickler for following protocols and that what is needed to right the ship.
The next phase of governance is an interesting one, as the board have advertised positions to be filled and have indicated that the states should nominate members for some of those positions.
To my way of thinking each state should nominate a candidate for each portfolio. It is imperative we get every one on the same page and create a genuine flow of communications between the owners of the sport, the members, and those charged with administrating it, the board. It is not a dictatorship but a democracy where the thoughts and plans of the majority must be appraised.
There should be a number of new faces appearing at a national level if this is fair dinkum. Mal Crosher said:
Paul,Nev Would people like RV who have been blacklisted by the out going also be welcomed back into things ? I think they should as all past grievances are simply that and are the actions of the out going only. How you have people turfed for pushing for governance , eventually get there then fill those positions is pretty hypocritical .
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Now we will see IF governance WILL work, with the filling of the various sub-committees THE most crucial part of this move. IF IF we see the SAME old guard get a seat we are off to a poor poor start. IF IF we see NEW faces then we may just get somewhere.
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Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Trev that was 10 years ago and since then there have been numerous changes. Most from back then are longer involved. Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
Hey Paul, Iknow you are excellent at the Governance issue but
"but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour."
hopefully the new board will not let this happen - or what's the whole point of a new board. Lets be confident that the new board are smart and skilled enough to not let this happen otherwise we are back to square one. At this stage I feel pretty confident that they will make the right decisions if the right people apply for the roles.If the wrong people apply for the riles and they are the only option then we have to hope the board is aware of this and monitors it carefully. MESSAGE there- if you want to have a go apply now. In my opinion Karting is on the verge of moving forward, its not a basket case as some will like to make out. I see so many people on kartbook buying, selling, chatting, seeking advise etc and we have a huge bunch of guys having a crack in Europe, and the Rotax World champs and Vegas supernats, World champion Joey Hanseen racing all round Aus, plus, David Sera running all around Aus doing driver training and king nicely I think, plus huge field of a relatively new KZ2 class ( 34 ran in WA a few months ago). Also in WA we have big fields of Juniors, rookies and Midgets (sorry Dwarfs or is it Cadets I get confused HA HA).
Maybe transparency about the applicants who are overlooked may ally Mals comments. But in a lot of public service jobs you can challenge the applicant maybe the AKA could do that.
I am pretty confident the new board have no agendas so lets see what happens.
They've only been there a couple of months so there's is no reason to cast doubt on there integrity.
FURZ
Paul Hewitt said:
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
I hope you are right Furz, we will see soon enough.
Furz
Here is one item that need reviewing:
‘Preamble:-
The Confederation Internationale de Karting (CIK) is one of the sporting Commissions of the FIA.
The object of the CIK shall be to develop, promote, co-ordinate and regulate Karting-related
activities around the world, respecting the principles enacted by the Fédération Internationale de
l’Automobile (FIA).
The FIA has delegated national authority of karting to CAMS. The AKA’s authority to organise and
control karting in Australia has in turn been delegated to it by CAMS. Australia currently holds one
of the 27 seats on the CIK and is required to nominate a delegate to represent CAMS and the AKA.’
Incorrect. The AKA do not have total control of karting around Australia, and if they are not careful the ground swell of support to form break away organizations will bite them on the arse.
Therefore, the FIA delegate to CAMS authority to conduct CIK racing in Australia, which in turn delegates to AKA. (Any other organization can make application to CAMS to conduct CIK. Eg Private entrepreneur.)
AKA was formed by the participants as a peek National body to unify different state rules. Therefore in my humble opinion this should read
‘AKA is the peek national body formed to administer the sport of karting throughout Australia for those clubs affiliated with AKA. The FIA have delegated the control of CIK racing to CAMS, which in turn delegates to AKA Pty Ltd’.
I think it is a left over from previous admin and it has never been challenged or reviewed. What do you think?
Simon Furzer said:
Hey Paul, Iknow you are excellent at the Governance issue but
"but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour."
hopefully the new board will not let this happen - or what's the whole point of a new board. Lets be confident that the new board are smart and skilled enough to not let this happen otherwise we are back to square one. At this stage I feel pretty confident that they will make the right decisions if the right people apply for the roles.If the wrong people apply for the riles and they are the only option then we have to hope the board is aware of this and monitors it carefully. MESSAGE there- if you want to have a go apply now. In my opinion Karting is on the verge of moving forward, its not a basket case as some will like to make out. I see so many people on kartbook buying, selling, chatting, seeking advise etc and we have a huge bunch of guys having a crack in Europe, and the Rotax World champs and Vegas supernats, World champion Joey Hanseen racing all round Aus, plus, David Sera running all around Aus doing driver training and king nicely I think, plus huge field of a relatively new KZ2 class ( 34 ran in WA a few months ago). Also in WA we have big fields of Juniors, rookies and Midgets (sorry Dwarfs or is it Cadets I get confused HA HA).
Maybe transparency about the applicants who are overlooked may ally Mals comments. But in a lot of public service jobs you can challenge the applicant maybe the AKA could do that.
I am pretty confident the new board have no agendas so lets see what happens.
They've only been there a couple of months so there's is no reason to cast doubt on there integrity.
FURZ
Paul Hewitt said:
Trev
My definition in this case of the "old guard" is the LAST members of the exec, don't be fooled by these people who brought in governance these are the people who delayed it for 10 years trying like hell to ensure THEY got a board seat. Remember 10 years ago the then exec realised THEY didn't have the skills to move the sport forward and devised governance a SKILLED board, the "old guard" today the new guard then tried every trick in the book to change it so THEY could get a seat at the table, it took HUGE efforts not by the old guard but by others to implement it eventually.
We NEED new Faces just to give everyone a fresh start IF we see the SAME names as the past exec on these committtees ALL governance will be tarred by this KARTING DETERIORATED UNDER THEIR WATCH we do not want to reward them with a seat on a committee.
I don't mean ANYONE who had has had some input in the past but those whom I speak of KNOW who they are. There are quite a few people I would LIKE to see on a committee that played a good role in getting governance in but got no recognition for it these people ARE the ones we want.
But IF by chance these people I speak of do find themselves on a sub committee my only hope is others will keep them in check, plus they can only influence the area their committee is in charge of.
I do feel if NEWish faces are at the table there maybe a fresh start, but if we see the SAME people who brought the sport down the new governance model will just be seen as same horse different colour.
Trev Gaynor said:
Hi Paul,
Not that I comment on the politics of karting, but when you say "Old Guard", how old? All of the old guard going back to the beginning of time?
These committees will surely have to be made up of some people who have been involved in the sport for a number of years. I'm sure there are many people who have served in some capacity in the past that have provided valuable input and worked very hard for the improvement of karting and had no underlying political agenda.
I hope we as a collective karting community dont paint all of the "Old Guard" with the same brush.
New faces would be most welcome and needed I'm sure, I hope some of those Old Guard who contributed greatly in years past stick there hand up again. Especially the ones who had a hand in getting goverance on the table back when they saw the need for change.
My 20 cents worth
Trev
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Nev,
even is equal in qualifications they should go for the new face just keep perceptions at bay that the old guard have achieved what they wanted in the first place a seat at the board.
I have heard your last paragraph for years Nev, remember the old system worked well on paper, what happened???
NEW FACES Nev. new broom fresh start, old habits wont effect the new direction etc. Neville Scullion said:
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Paul some of these applications are for positions such as Track Inspector, Officials co-ordinators etc. Those personnel are not so much involved in the administration of the sport, but more delivery a field management aspect to the sport. You wouldn't expect the Tribunal Register to be given the flick just because of a new governance. The role their is of record keeping, plays no part in the every day running of sport as such and is n ot part of the decision making. I think there is a clearly defined difference here. Paul Hewitt said:
Nev,
even is equal in qualifications they should go for the new face just keep perceptions at bay that the old guard have achieved what they wanted in the first place a seat at the board.
I have heard your last paragraph for years Nev, remember the old system worked well on paper, what happened???
NEW FACES Nev. new broom fresh start, old habits wont effect the new direction etc. Neville Scullion said:
I think to offer certain positions to the incumbent is a reasonable course of action given the significant changes of the structure. However if someone from outside the current secretariat applies and shows they have a similar fundamental knolwedge of the position and possess an equal to or higher skill set, then the new board is obliged to appoint the better qualified applicant.
None the less who ever holds those positions must remain cognizant that they are there to represent the membership base through consultation, not push personal agendas. Mal Crosher said:
Nev is right. CAMS are delegating power Supposedly always have been . Small event run last weekend that is starting to show push starting to shove terms. It is a basketcase . If you don't recognise that your task is a lot harder. But it's not a hard fix really. You break the industry and certain club dominance things will become clearer. A lot of people know that. I think invited or contacted individuals is a different thing than private applicants . There is no harm in this . Imagine how encouraging it would be if public ground swell said " we want him/her " ? Confidence would be sky high. And it should be . Interesting times ahead on all fronts.
Yes I would think people with the credentials like Ralph, Ken Seeber and some others would serve the sport fine. Ralph is a stickler for following protocols and that what is needed to right the ship.
The next phase of governance is an interesting one, as the board have advertised positions to be filled and have indicated that the states should nominate members for some of those positions.
To my way of thinking each state should nominate a candidate for each portfolio. It is imperative we get every one on the same page and create a genuine flow of communications between the owners of the sport, the members, and those charged with administrating it, the board. It is not a dictatorship but a democracy where the thoughts and plans of the majority must be appraised.
There should be a number of new faces appearing at a national level if this is fair dinkum. Mal Crosher said:
Paul,Nev Would people like RV who have been blacklisted by the out going also be welcomed back into things ? I think they should as all past grievances are simply that and are the actions of the out going only. How you have people turfed for pushing for governance , eventually get there then fill those positions is pretty hypocritical .