Today I went to renew my sons and my licence so I paid my family membership $150 and $200 for my sons lic then I was told because I was over 10 days late with the renwal that I had to pay an extra $20 now I understand that this is just how most bills work but qouate me if I am wrong but they really do now how to take the fun out of karting.
People might say to me it depends how much you want to be dedicated to the sport but it just comes down to that I have two children who also play rep basketbal and netball with an average cost of $1000 each so you can see that I have to weigh up weather having my family involed in a sport that I have loved for twenty six years or not. I know that I wont be renewing my licence just on the principal of paying an extra $20 but I have renewed dakoda,s I just think people at the top of AKA are losing track of the average person
If theres anyone who would like to write a mission statement about what karting should be about I would love to hear its got to be better then the one weve got in the AKA now and who know,s You might get voted in.
PS Pete Edgar keep it short and sober
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you make me laugh :)
Peter Edgar said:
" Gday Mate... can you drop me at " The Pub "... thats where I will be if your lookin for me John...
How about This Club day racers Membership $50 Aka lic $50 C grader only. Open Meeting state series racers Club Membership $200 Aka lic $350 B grader only. State and national titles. Cik . sok. or any national series club Membership $500 Aka lic $!000 A & B grade .That way the more profesional you want to be the more you pay as it fair to assume you will be racing for more money and prizes . Ie Be an eagle pay high Be a canery eat less cost less.
yea this sounds about right this way the clubs would get the numbers instead of everyone following national series around and the aka could stop using the assosiation,s money to fund events that only benifit a small percentage of the membership
Harvie Ramsden said:
How about This Club day racers Membership $50 Aka lic $50 C grader only. Open Meeting state series racers Club Membership $200 Aka lic $350 B grader only. State and national titles. Cik . sok. or any national series club Membership $500 Aka lic $!000 A & B grade .That way the more profesional you want to be the more you pay as it fair to assume you will be racing for more money and prizes . Ie Be an eagle pay high Be a canery eat less cost less.
I race four, maybe five times a year. Nationals, Vic, SA and NSW states... and three is certainly NO prize money involved.
So why would you think that i should be paying $1500 worth of membership and license, when you feel that you should only be paying $100
As for the original post, the AKAs license and membership systesm actualy works pretty well, and are fair for all. In reality they arent to expensive, yes its alot of money but its a once a year thing, Set aside $10 a week out of your normal racing budget and its more then covered for the year.Harvie Ramsden said:
How about This Club day racers Membership $50 Aka lic $50 C grader only. Open Meeting state series racers Club Membership $200 Aka lic $350 B grader only. State and national titles. Cik . sok. or any national series club Membership $500 Aka lic $!000 A & B grade .That way the more profesional you want to be the more you pay as it fair to assume you will be racing for more money and prizes . Ie Be an eagle pay high Be a canery eat less cost less.
I agree with JB. To race at the top you're already spending $#!? loads more than a club day racer, doesn't mean we're doing it easy though and can afford paying for half what an engine costs every year just to be members.
would you believe thetre was a motion well thought out, and researched that went along the lines of a licence that was a user pays, the more you raced the more you paid, the less you raced the less you paid. IT GOT KNOCKED ON THE HEAD.
with diminishing numbers and rising prices it will be a small miracle to see chepaer licences, getting a varied licence even less chance.
they have forgotten the bread and butter karter, thats for sure and soon will pay the price for that.
Paul,
Drivers are already in a user pays system – every race day – AKA levy!!!
The more you race the more you pay.
Costs will not come down until cost management improves – perhaps there should be a base rate for the insurance component of the licence and then the extra is processed from the level of participation.
The more you race the greater the risk (theoretically ) the more you pay ...............however it could also be said:
“I would rather my son race against Josh Brooker than weekend Charlie” because Brooker is far less risk because of his experience and finely honed race craft.
So there you go, points for both sides of the argument and the result is? ....zero!! :)
Cheers
Ian
Paul Hewitt said:
would you believe thetre was a motion well thought out, and researched that went along the lines of a licence that was a user pays, the more you raced the more you paid, the less you raced the less you paid. IT GOT KNOCKED ON THE HEAD.
with diminishing numbers and rising prices it will be a small miracle to see chepaer licences, getting a varied licence even less chance.
they have forgotten the bread and butter karter, thats for sure and soon will pay the price for that.
Hi ian,
yes you are correct, i was talking about a licence user pay system where the there was a basic licence cost [ = insurance cost] and then a set fee collected at race day. Therefore these guys who race 6 times a year can say well thats ok for me but are being turned away because that 6 times equals about $50+ a race on top of race entry not enticing in the current system.
maybe with the new CMS licencing system we could introduce a capped licence that is driver pays the minimum insurance coverage initially, then at every race meeting he goes to when he swipes his card a screen appears requesting this driver pays say $30 above the race day entry? this would cover the drivers who only race a few times a year a driver who wants to do more pays for a full licence and does the normal thing????
Our insurance wont get cheaper if we all had Josh Brookers experience and skills. Never will get cheaper, may in fact go up to cover losses in oter areas of their business eg floods and storms etc etc. If someone is a little nervous about racing against weekend charlie then he better not race at club level eh!!!
But this is the thinking of the AKA the thread started along the lines of the lack of flexibility to cover karters needs they DON'T think of othervways of keeping karters IN the sport they push this line of pay full money or GET OUT!! when if they thought a little about keeping guys like Robbie IN the sport they would be far better off. If our system is a user pays system its NOT good if we chase the user away just because we are not flexible enough to do all things to keep him involved. Are we willing to loose these guys who could race mabye 6 times a year, therefore contribute 6 times into the coffers of the clubs/AKA, if we offered them a basic licence, just because we want them to pay full licence knowing they wont get value for money. AFFORDABLE MOTORSPORT didn't the sticker say???
We are paying a SH!TLOAD of money for this CMS licencing system use it to its MAX I say, but wait I'll bet the bean counter will say it cost more than it gets back.!!!!
Ian Mooney said:
Paul,
Drivers are already in a user pays system – every race day – AKA levy!!!
The more you race the more you pay.
Costs will not come down until cost management improves – perhaps there should be a base rate for the insurance component of the licence and then the extra is processed from the level of participation.
The more you race the greater the risk (theoretically ) the more you pay ...............however it could also be said:
“I would rather my son race against Josh Brooker than weekend Charlie” because Brooker is far less risk because of his experience and finely honed race craft.
So there you go, points for both sides of the argument and the result is? ....zero!! :)
Cheers
Ian
Paul Hewitt said:
would you believe thetre was a motion well thought out, and researched that went along the lines of a licence that was a user pays, the more you raced the more you paid, the less you raced the less you paid. IT GOT KNOCKED ON THE HEAD.
with diminishing numbers and rising prices it will be a small miracle to see chepaer licences, getting a varied licence even less chance.
they have forgotten the bread and butter karter, thats for sure and soon will pay the price for that.
hi josh wow that surprise me you only come out for the big races and you do so well even if did beat a Gold Coaster.
But to get to that level you must have done alot of club racing and like most entering the sport you would have a budget,
Thats what I was trying to get at with this disscussion as a parent of 2 x children Ive got to prioritize with what we do so therefore keeping inital starting cost low in this sport would only encourage newcomers to continue at club level racing sorry to pick on the elite karters maybe a happy medium could be found with the money I would love to see clubmeetings pack out with new people
Josh Brooker said:I race four, maybe five times a year. Nationals, Vic, SA and NSW states... and three is certainly NO prize money involved.
So why would you think that i should be paying $1500 worth of membership and license, when you feel that you should only be paying $100
As for the original post, the AKAs license and membership systesm actualy works pretty well, and are fair for all. In reality they arent to expensive, yes its alot of money but its a once a year thing, Set aside $10 a week out of your normal racing budget and its more then covered for the year.Harvie Ramsden said:
How about This Club day racers Membership $50 Aka lic $50 C grader only. Open Meeting state series racers Club Membership $200 Aka lic $350 B grader only. State and national titles. Cik . sok. or any national series club Membership $500 Aka lic $!000 A & B grade .That way the more profesional you want to be the more you pay as it fair to assume you will be racing for more money and prizes . Ie Be an eagle pay high Be a canery eat less cost less.
Hi Steve,
Lets not starta AKA v Prokart debate, its not worthwhile as both are different in their approach to the sprt and focus on different things. AKA have a track developement fund Prokart don't, AKA have a expensive licence Prokart doesn't, club make money out of BOTH entities so the clubs win here as well.
CMS [ the dead horse is still alive] is sucking more and more money out the bank balance and really hasn't made the sport any cheaper or increased numbers. they can't fund any changes or improovements because there isn't the fund s there, the current funds are keeping things status quo. Governance bill is approaching $100k and still to see anything. And we are looking at a 3rd consecutive loss this year!!!
ther are opportunities to make this sport cheaper that the AKA can do, they can't control all the costs of racing but they can control somethings and they must think of the small guy first.
CIK cost $70k last year , returned only $36k, this year ?????, but it would be a brave person to ask can the CIK stand on its own???
But next weekend there is a motion to shut the books to members eyes so we will never know whats being spent on what,a dangerous thing. You have to ask WHY are they doing that?
don't focus on what proakrt do, you can't control that [ ACCC told AKA they can't] focus on what you can do that is get involved in your club admin with the focus of keeping costs down and acting in karters interests.
steve jarrett said:
yep well aware of the past wastages (clutches court fees cms engines subsidies) but what currently does it provide to clubs
does prokart provide interest free loans to tracks to do upgrades?
the non aka clubs and prokart only need low licence fees cause its just an administration charge isnt it? the clubs fund themseleves through practise race or hire kart fees
That was me.....got told it could not work.Paul Hewitt said:
would you believe thetre was a motion well thought out, and researched that went along the lines of a licence that was a user pays, the more you raced the more you paid, the less you raced the less you paid. IT GOT KNOCKED ON THE HEAD.
with diminishing numbers and rising prices it will be a small miracle to see chepaer licences, getting a varied licence even less chance.
they have forgotten the bread and butter karter, thats for sure and soon will pay the price for that.
By who and why wouldn't it?
John Lane said:
That was me.....got told it could not work.Paul Hewitt said:would you believe thetre was a motion well thought out, and researched that went along the lines of a licence that was a user pays, the more you raced the more you paid, the less you raced the less you paid. IT GOT KNOCKED ON THE HEAD.
with diminishing numbers and rising prices it will be a small miracle to see chepaer licences, getting a varied licence even less chance.
they have forgotten the bread and butter karter, thats for sure and soon will pay the price for that.