I think we all appreciate the reasons why we have some rules. some to keep costs down (no ceramic bearings) some for safety (cables on exhausts)
A few weeks ago the AKA made an amendment to the rule "no camera's on karts" and 2 days later I attended a race meet where a driver was using one. He had made his own extension bracket so he could get a few different angles on different things.
Im not really against people having them, but I do really wonder the REAL value for it. Most of the onboard footage I've seen is far to glitchy & shaky and therefore I'm unable to tell if theres a problem with the line a driver's taking. However in Europe they use cameras for hearings on driver misconduct (racing incidents).
We now have situations where other peoples privacy is affected.
Example 1: youtube clip of a fellow competitor, description "look at this muppet Im about to overtake, fred cant drive to save himself!"
Example 2: Mother or steward in a compromising position in front of a camera at in-grid. Pictures get posted somewhere
I just think people are using the cameras to show friends on youtube & kartbook "wow, look at me drive my gokart" and we have now opened a can of worms.
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I think in the world of cameras in phones and things you are going to get this anyway, so you just have to live with it. Karting is certainly not the only area where this will go on.
I used a camera on my kart for a while in practice, and now in racing, and I like having it. I put one on my sons kart, so it helps me get an idea of how he is going and where he is on the track as I can't see the entire track from the sidelines.
I used mine in a race for the first time and while the footage is not perfect, it helps me to go over the footage later and get an idea of where I'm weak or strong.
On the other hand however, i would not post footage online that I didn't think was appropriate.
Michael O'Brien said:I think in the world of cameras in phones and things you are going to get this anyway, so you just have to live with it. Karting is certainly not the only area where this will go on.I used a camera on my kart for a while in practice, and now in racing, and I like having it. I put one on my sons kart, so it helps me get an idea of how he is going and where he is on the track as I can't see the entire track from the sidelines.I used mine in a race for the first time and while the footage is not perfect, it helps me to go over the footage later and get an idea of where I'm weak or strong.On the other hand however, i would not post footage online that I didn't think was appropriate.
Just out of simple curiousity, what things can you tell? you able to post a short clip of a situation where you've seen footage & changed a driving line? as I say im just curious as I have found it hard to see anything of significance (as yet)
yeah i have a couple of clips on the site
Dave Britt said:Michael O'Brien said:I think in the world of cameras in phones and things you are going to get this anyway, so you just have to live with it. Karting is certainly not the only area where this will go on.I used a camera on my kart for a while in practice, and now in racing, and I like having it. I put one on my sons kart, so it helps me get an idea of how he is going and where he is on the track as I can't see the entire track from the sidelines.I used mine in a race for the first time and while the footage is not perfect, it helps me to go over the footage later and get an idea of where I'm weak or strong.On the other hand however, i would not post footage online that I didn't think was appropriate.
Just out of simple curiousity, what things can you tell? you able to post a short clip of a situation where you've seen footage & changed a driving line? as I say im just curious as I have found it hard to see anything of significance (as yet)
I used some You Tube footage before going to Newcastle and Canberra to give me a basic idea of the track layout before actually driving the track. I think it can be a very useful tool.
yes, another good reason, i've done the same. I certainly wouldn't post mine up to say "hey look at me" because, well basically, I can't drive for ..it
Jamie Passlow said:I used some You Tube footage before going to Newcastle and Canberra to give me a basic idea of the track layout before actually driving the track. I think it can be a very useful tool.
Not about Karts, but all about the camera poser :)
http://www.forumeter.com/video/239414/Trackday-Comedy
October 11, 2010 at 18:04
"I just think people are using the cameras to show friends on youtube & kartbook "wow, look at me drive my gokart" and we have now opened a can of worms."
Why NOT show off to friends and family on youtube? As far as I'm concerned karting needs more exposure and marketing, the cheapest and easiest way to do it is through word-of-mouth and simple communication like sharing a youtube vid with your mates. Plus you'll have a record of your races to discuss with your friends at the track or reminisce about years later.
It can be hard to convey with words alone the excitement of a dozen or more karts on track weaving, drafting and swapping positions over a few laps, most people are better at watching a two-minute youtube clip than listening carefully and using their imagination.
So as long as STANDARD DECENCY is shown by people (i.e. your examples given earlier, being offensive and disrespectful), there should be no problem with the use of cameras.
Hello All,
Just bought the GoPro HD camera from DP Karts and the vision is awesome. U should see it on the plasma....wow. Jake has already identified mistakes that he made during practice. I have been telling him that for years and only when he saw it he realised it. That it self is worth the 500 odd dollars it cost. He can also use it at the skate park with his scooter, jet ski and I will use it when I go snowskiing.
It can run HD16:9 (1920 X 1080) resolution and can even operate at 60 Frames/second.
This is the best camera going round.
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Mark makes this comment >>>>>> As far as I'm concerned karting needs more exposure and marketing, the cheapest and easiest way to do it is through word-of-mouth and simple communication like sharing a you tube vid with your mates
I agree Mark 100% ... and you know what ...!!!!?.in the last 4 years the AKA's same brains trust spend nearly $1 Million dollars of karters funds on media and guess what ..!!! ...marketing is non existent ,!!! it was even rejected that something constructive be done (read the AKA Annual conference minutes !! NKC delegates simply stated that there was no need to research or market ...!!!) .......when you spend that kind of money and the numbers don’t improve to equate as income to what you are spending then you stop spending ...!!! anyone with an ounce of business acumen would understand that ..unfortunately that intellect is non existent ... a camera for 200 bucks and posting on you tube brings karting to more people than the $1 million dollar media spend that have been wasted and has achieved nothing ...!!!
To get the $1 million back the licence numbers should have increased by 5000....... they haven't increased by that amount otherwise we would have sold 12,000 transponders and we barely made sales of 3000.....another disaster....now they want to hide the spending details so you cant see the books .....
Watch 'em scream when they read this !!
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My apologies if it seems that I'm dragging this thread off topic, but what Ralph has said is right on the money. Marketing doesn't have to be expensive to be successful, and with this forum, and Youtube, and similar sites we have been missing out on a HUGE opportunity. With the acceptance of cameras on karts we are at last heading in the right direction . . .
a lot of publicity you guys speak of is just as easily blown apart by people posting clips of roll-overs or how they obviously have footage of an incident that an official didn't do a good job with etc etc.
October 12, 2010 at 21:36
Dave Britt said:a lot of publicity you guys speak of is just as easily blown apart by people posting clips of roll-overs or how they obviously have footage of an incident that an official didn't do a good job with etc etc.
Better to pretend it doesn't happen? If you have footage of an incident by all means share it with the officials post-race or with the relevant competitors so they can make a complaint. More honesty and sharing of information can only be a good thing.
The only karting vids I've seen taken from on-board cams have been of guys practicing or racing through a field. The vids I've seen of big stacks or strange incidents were taken by trackside cameras, not by on-board cams. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places though.