There is no legislation however AKA (Karting Australia?) have intellectual property over its classes etc. EG if the another organization were to get up and running they may call the youngest age group 'mini karts' and that a comer SW 80 or Yamaha J with a 13.50mm restrictor or an inlet restrictor perhaps for parity of the 2 engines be used with that engine.
It might also suggest that all entry level karts through to and including all novice classes use Bridgestone YDS tyres. Other classes might used YHC and performance classes use YHA?
The AKA will claim some sort of intellectual property in an attempt to bluff any other possible competition. As Nev has said they can create their own classes give them any name other than what AKA call them, If the AKA try that they too become vulnerable as well as they too could be accused of copying other orgaisations???
Its a BLUFF.
nothing stops them from copying the classesyou just cant use the same wording as in the manual website or any other printed published material
as that is their copyrighted material.
lack of tracks is what will stop anyone doing it especially in Sydney when ec has the sport by the balls, and there are no alternatives planned
Steve I believe that will soon change as EC owner's lease is about to expire soon, and the sport doesn't revolve around Sydney neither. Most other tarcks are leased or owned by the clubs NSKC may be the ONLY AKA club thats a possibility????
Paul it doesn't end soon, however the pressure is on from the Government to reclaim that land under the present lease.
Be very skeptical of anything you may have heard in respect of the owners doing good things for the AKA. It just won't happen.
Paul Hewitt said:
Steve I believe that will soon change as EC owner's lease is about to expire soon, and the sport doesn't revolve around Sydney neither. Most other tarcks are leased or owned by the clubs NSKC may be the ONLY AKA club thats a possibility????
Basically nothing, Mal. You can't steal the wording in the manual, but there's no ownership over the concepts in the manual. I would also doubt that the AKA could claim ownership over highly descriptive class names (eg, Rotax Light), nor over words in common use (eg Cadets).
The main thing preventing a breakaway group from the AKA is the reality that - for all the whinging that goes on - they're actually pretty damn good at running a kart racing association. Those that have seen fit to try to compete have, for the most part, failed pretty dismally. We're constantly critical of the AKA in discussions on this site, but the truth is what they're in charge of is an incredibly complicated and difficult task, and the system actually works pretty well.
There's no legal impediment to starting a competitive association, but there are plenty of practical ones.
There already are organisations running classes similar to the AKA. The AIDKA for a start as well as the non AKA speedway clubs and some other independant clubs.
None of them are trying to replace the AKA but it illustrates that it is possible for other organisations to run similar classes.
AKA don't own the classes, and many of the rules come from the manufacturers of the engines, or are direct copies of international rules used in other countries.
Which are not insumountable if enough clubs "breakaway" Col if enough do the $s lost to the AKA may just hurt? ColCol Fink said:
Basically nothing, Mal. You can't steal the wording in the manual, but there's no ownership over the concepts in the manual. I would also doubt that the AKA could claim ownership over highly descriptive class names (eg, Rotax Light), nor over words in common use (eg Cadets).
The main thing preventing a breakaway group from the AKA is the reality that - for all the whinging that goes on - they're actually pretty damn good at running a kart racing association. Those that have seen fit to try to compete have, for the most part, failed pretty dismally. We're constantly critical of the AKA in discussions on this site, but the truth is what they're in charge of is an incredibly complicated and difficult task, and the system actually works pretty well.
There's no legal impediment to starting a competitive association, but there are plenty of practical ones.
There is no law preventing another Association being set up to run Karting in Australia. Class names & Rules can easily be overcome. The problem will be the Clubs. Although many don't seem to know it the Clubs effectively control karting. They make up the State bodies, which appoints a National Rep. etc. Therefore if someone could get the vast majority of Clubs onside a chance exists to form an alternative to the AKA. I would suggest this is well nigh impossible because most Club Executives are apathetic & are there because no one else will do the job. They usually only stay involved whilst they or their children remain in the sport. This post will bring out the usual AKA knockers! All 4-5 of them!
NATIONAL KARTING ALLIANCE (NKA)
Its all been setup in NSW. In 2009 Prokart along with a number of others in the industry setup and registered the NKA with DSR NSW. They also produced a rule book with all the AKA classes which was also registered by DSR. Prokart ran Saturday night sprint races at Wollongong and a sprint series in conjunction with their endurance racing. There are some contact phone number in the story below.
Get hold of the association and the rules and your away
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There is no legislation however AKA (Karting Australia?) have intellectual property over its classes etc. EG if the another organization were to get up and running they may call the youngest age group 'mini karts' and that a comer SW 80 or Yamaha J with a 13.50mm restrictor or an inlet restrictor perhaps for parity of the 2 engines be used with that engine.
It might also suggest that all entry level karts through to and including all novice classes use Bridgestone YDS tyres. Other classes might used YHC and performance classes use YHA?
The AKA will claim some sort of intellectual property in an attempt to bluff any other possible competition. As Nev has said they can create their own classes give them any name other than what AKA call them, If the AKA try that they too become vulnerable as well as they too could be accused of copying other orgaisations???
Its a BLUFF.
nothing stops them from copying the classesyou just cant use the same wording as in the manual website or any other printed published material
as that is their copyrighted material.
lack of tracks is what will stop anyone doing it especially in Sydney when ec has the sport by the balls, and there are no alternatives planned
Steve I believe that will soon change as EC owner's lease is about to expire soon, and the sport doesn't revolve around Sydney neither. Most other tarcks are leased or owned by the clubs NSKC may be the ONLY AKA club thats a possibility????
Paul it doesn't end soon, however the pressure is on from the Government to reclaim that land under the present lease.
Be very skeptical of anything you may have heard in respect of the owners doing good things for the AKA. It just won't happen.
Paul Hewitt said:
Steve I believe that will soon change as EC owner's lease is about to expire soon, and the sport doesn't revolve around Sydney neither. Most other tarcks are leased or owned by the clubs NSKC may be the ONLY AKA club thats a possibility????
Basically nothing, Mal. You can't steal the wording in the manual, but there's no ownership over the concepts in the manual. I would also doubt that the AKA could claim ownership over highly descriptive class names (eg, Rotax Light), nor over words in common use (eg Cadets).
The main thing preventing a breakaway group from the AKA is the reality that - for all the whinging that goes on - they're actually pretty damn good at running a kart racing association. Those that have seen fit to try to compete have, for the most part, failed pretty dismally. We're constantly critical of the AKA in discussions on this site, but the truth is what they're in charge of is an incredibly complicated and difficult task, and the system actually works pretty well.
There's no legal impediment to starting a competitive association, but there are plenty of practical ones.
There already are organisations running classes similar to the AKA. The AIDKA for a start as well as the non AKA speedway clubs and some other independant clubs.
None of them are trying to replace the AKA but it illustrates that it is possible for other organisations to run similar classes.
AKA don't own the classes, and many of the rules come from the manufacturers of the engines, or are direct copies of international rules used in other countries.
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Which are not insumountable if enough clubs "breakaway" Col if enough do the $s lost to the AKA may just hurt? ColCol Fink said:
Basically nothing, Mal. You can't steal the wording in the manual, but there's no ownership over the concepts in the manual. I would also doubt that the AKA could claim ownership over highly descriptive class names (eg, Rotax Light), nor over words in common use (eg Cadets).
The main thing preventing a breakaway group from the AKA is the reality that - for all the whinging that goes on - they're actually pretty damn good at running a kart racing association. Those that have seen fit to try to compete have, for the most part, failed pretty dismally. We're constantly critical of the AKA in discussions on this site, but the truth is what they're in charge of is an incredibly complicated and difficult task, and the system actually works pretty well.
There's no legal impediment to starting a competitive association, but there are plenty of practical ones.
There is no law preventing another Association being set up to run Karting in Australia. Class names & Rules can easily be overcome. The problem will be the Clubs. Although many don't seem to know it the Clubs effectively control karting. They make up the State bodies, which appoints a National Rep. etc. Therefore if someone could get the vast majority of Clubs onside a chance exists to form an alternative to the AKA. I would suggest this is well nigh impossible because most Club Executives are apathetic & are there because no one else will do the job. They usually only stay involved whilst they or their children remain in the sport. This post will bring out the usual AKA knockers! All 4-5 of them!
NATIONAL KARTING ALLIANCE (NKA)
Its all been setup in NSW. In 2009 Prokart along with a number of others in the industry setup and registered the NKA with DSR NSW. They also produced a rule book with all the AKA classes which was also registered by DSR. Prokart ran Saturday night sprint races at Wollongong and a sprint series in conjunction with their endurance racing. There are some contact phone number in the story below.
Get hold of the association and the rules and your away
http://kartsportnews.com/OLD-site/content/2009/news_090605-8.html
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